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Post by ellisevo8 on Aug 31, 2009 11:55:49 GMT -5
I think that we should make meetings mandatory over the summer next year and although I am away (school) we should try to establish a way to communicate with each other over the "off" season. Even if we don't talk about car stuff just have everyone in the same area at the same time. We can pick a central location that works for everyone. Let's be honest to ourselves......... This season DID NOT work at all. We were all on the wrong page w each other. Carlisle was the only real show that we had a good showing to. I'm not trying to blame anyone for anything b/c I am just as guilty as the next guy. So let's get past the blaming and pointing fingers. I want everyone who is interested in trying to re-establish team 908 to agree to put their honest effort towards next years season. In order for this to work we are going to have to do things that we don't want to do. Personally I enjoy going to track events/meets. I have said this a million times. I did enjoy going to some of the RIX magazine shows last year. So I am pretty much willing to do anything that is related to cars.
THIS IS THE PLACE FOR ANYONE TO AIR OUT HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS SITUATION. DON'T HOLD BACK SAY WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY. TRY TO KEEP IT CAR CLUB RELATED THOUGH PLEASE.
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Post by egsicks on Aug 31, 2009 12:25:20 GMT -5
I totally agree with you chris. I think we all as a group lacked effort towards this season and would love to reestablish the strength team908 carried in the past. I think the having more meetings with a stricter attendance policy will help get everyones opinions about events and shows. If there are any suggestions I will be more then willing to listen.
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Post by dohcterek on Aug 31, 2009 12:35:37 GMT -5
I think this season was made difficult in part by some of the members cars being down or not ready for even meet events weather this summer has also sucked rain hurt alot of things even taking a sheetz cruise was made difficult because you never knew if it would rain or not a new found love for drinking has also taken a huge toll on the team this summer and i dont have a problem with a good night out but everything needs to be done with moderation. To date wave gone to five shows either local style or bigger events and a hand full of meets a few track nights/days. that being said the summer is not over yet for those of us who are still around there is a charity fund raiser in scranton pa its a pretty nice cruise its $25 bucks prob less then a night at the bar and its indoor there are plenty of events to see and its for a good cause. meetings need to be a must like chris said regardless if we have car shit to talk about or not as long as every other week we see the people were involved with and know that everyone is still down i think we need to work on giving each other a hand more as well if its getting a car ready for a race event or installing a new part for an upcoming show its something different to do since were all looking for something new and different to do. there has been a lapse of what this all began as a place where car guys come together. id like to see this forum used more for communication between everyone since not everyone sees each other all the time and it is some much easier to get a message across rather then sending a million text messages out back and forth about whos going whos not. its not to much to ask i know everyone uses the computer atleast once a day so its not like it will kill anyone to check in on here. i think everyone should bring a list of events and meets they would like to attend for the upcoming season and we can sit down and vote on what we would like to do and then we can have a set list (which can change when new things come up) i understand people have work on the weekends i do myself but if we have enough time to plan for things it should be easier to atleast make more then one or two events a season.
i look forward to everyones input on this topic. if you see someone who hardly checks this page please get on them about checking it out.
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Post by ellisevo8 on Aug 31, 2009 12:43:37 GMT -5
so far nothing that i have read has come as a shock. I'm happy everyone is responding. let's keep them coming. matt brings up some awesome ideas. I really like the point Matt made about helping people get things done on their cars. When I needed help with my suspension and gauges I made like a "party" out of it. Their were like 6 ppl at my garage at all times. It was great. I really enjoyed having everyone there to help me out. I suck at wiring and Kevin was more than happy to crawl under my dash and wire tire some things up for me. Big John stabbed himself with a fuse tester. It was a good night. When Darryl got his "New" Civic John, Dave, Me and Darryl worked on that thing for like 8 nights in a row. We sat in his garage drank 40's and smoked mad butts. Although I'm done smoking now I can still hang out in a setting like this and have an awesome time.
KEEP THE COMMENTS COMING GUYS!!!!! DON'T BE SCARED TO SPEAK YOUR MIND. WE ARE ALL GROWN- UPS. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM CALL THEM OUT RIGHT NOW.
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Post by marmalaidy00 on Aug 31, 2009 18:08:28 GMT -5
obviously i am one of the bar goers in this whole group, although i do nothing with my car, haha, but i also love going to the meets and shows with everyone. i definately noticed people have drifted away a lot from working on their cars and going to car shows and car meets. a lot of people don't like driving too far or spending a lot of money to show their cars. but i do agree with matt in that spending 25 or 30 bucks to be at a car event all day is just as much as spending a night at the bar. yes beers are a dollar, but just think how much everyone drinks, add in some shots, it all adds up. i think meetings every other sunday should be mandatory, even if you can't make every single one. and during the winter time, why not have a meeting once a month just to hang out with everyone and catch up and talk about any shows or meets that could ever be going on. the show in september sounds fun and i'd love to go and hang out as long as i don't have work. just like chris said, working on all your cars together can end up making a whole night out of it. although it wasn't on my car, i had everyone over one of the nights to put my brothers system in his car, had pizza and beer. and the other time we went to gabes to work on my other brothers car and lowered it. its nice when everyone is together cause it doesn't get as boring as having only one or two people there. now as for the bar scene...honestly, we're all still young. i enjoy going out as do other people. i do wish sometimes we went to other bars, but downtown is a comfort zone for a lot of people. we've gotten to know a lot of people down there, including the bartenders. i don't think the bars should take over our lives, but i do think it's a good time. and people who don't enjoy it, compeltely fine. not everyone is in to the bars. people grow out of it or just never really get in to it. eventually the bar will grow old, whether its weeks or months from now..or years. who knows. but i think as long as people start taking the car stuff a little more seriously, it won't seem as big of a deal that people go out to the bars anymore. and i have heard through the grapevine that street ghosts haven't been doing as many shows and meets either. it could be completely false, but like matt said, with the weather and peoples cars not being ready...its definately affected the car scene this summer. you guys will all reconnect again. i've tried very hard to keep everyone together and having stuff at my house whether its swimming or bbqs or even just haircuts nights. all in all, everyone needs to stop making big deals about the bar and how other people don't like to do anything and just try and get the car stuff back in game. and like chris said, get past blaming everyone for everything. everyone is guilty as some point in all of this.
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Post by 2k5sti on Aug 31, 2009 18:31:40 GMT -5
one thing i have to say, is i know some of us do not like to show our cars if it isnt the way YOU want it to be at the time. lets be for real here, i have nothing special to show, my car is loaded with rock chips in the front, and i can never seem to keep it clean because of my damned driveway. but i still show my car at the events we attend knowing that im not going to be taking home any trophies. why? because it adds to the car count, and there is just another car in the line rockin the windshield sticker. another thing i would like to say is as far as helping people get their car ready for an event, or track day or whatever, there arent many of us here that i havnt lended a helping hand to and honestly some of it goes unrecognized. i dont mind helping people out at all, but when you dont even get a simple thank you out of it is what pisses me off. im not going to bring up any particular instances because im not trying to do that.
guidy brought up the infamous "bar scene" and ash commented on it as well. i enjoy going out and talking with people at the bar, and relaxing, and having some beers. im also sick of getting ridiculed for it and im sure i can speak for everyone that goes out alot when i say that. if you dont want to go out, than dont. but dont put me down because i cant sit around with my thumb up my ass when all my friends are either out having a good time, or sitting home by themselves. all of us that hang out regularly (and you know who you are) we have all talked about how to get everyone together more often, we have all wished team 908 was a bit more organized...so we have some things to work on. its not like there are 4 or 5 of us. there are alot of members, and if someone doesent want to be in anymore, they need to let someone know so we can plan accordingly.
theres alot of other shit id like to get off my mind but this took forever to type because there are no readable letters on my keyboard anymore. so ill just end my rant with saying that even though the season is not over, we always have next season. we have all winter to figure out what we need to figure out. and again, with the organization skills we all seem to lack (myself included), lets try and plan ahead whether its shows, or ideas, or t shirts...whatever it is.
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Post by ellisevo8 on Aug 31, 2009 18:36:46 GMT -5
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John I appreciate your help with my car on several occasions. I remember I gave you a pretty significant amount of money before xmas when you did the wheel bearing on the Protege.
ash i agree with you to an extent. i really appreciate you giving up some of your time to actually spend responding to this situation. I really appreciate your efforts in getting everyone together. I can honestly say that I had a blast at your house on several occasions this summer. As far as the bar scene goes................. I really don't have a response to that. I have never been bar crazy, but I have spent nights at different bars across the entire east coast of the United States. I have have spent plenty of nights throwing up in random ass parking lots or coaching ppl through their dinosaur callings. I just don't see how the same bar w/ the same people w/ no live entertainment or anything can be so appealing, and for me to sit here and say that the bar has not come between me and a lot of my friends would be a lie. I've been to mothers 2 and drinkies 1 time. The night that we spent at Drinkies was a good time because we were there to celebrate matt's graduating from the police academy. When I was at Mother's I came wasted, and slowly sobered up by the isolation I put myself in. It was impossible for me to interact with others at the bar because everyone was drowned out by the loud music. I understand if the bar is your thing. Have at it. It is not like as a group we are asking for much out of people. For the most part all of us work full time (or are financially okay) and can afford the entry fee into shows/drag events/gas for shows. As far as street ghosts goes............... I saw Brian Wolfgang more towards the end of the summer than most of the members in our car club. I hope you all don't think I am whining. I could give a fuck what everyone wants to do with their time. What I want to accomplish by saying all this shit is ARE YOU IN OR ARE YOU OUT? We are not asking for much out of our members and it's decision time. I am committed to make this stuff work. The more people that are out there and are willing to put in effort to make things work is all we need. Wow I have way to much time on my hands down at school. I just realized that I just wrote a fucking novel. haha
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Post by marmalaidy00 on Aug 31, 2009 19:15:35 GMT -5
haha. no chris i agree. the same bar gets to be a lot. i wish we went other places. i personally like to dress up to go out. i know some people make a big deal about it, but oh well. i know matt and gabe will agree with me on that with dressing up and going to nicer places. did the bar get between people? of course. but like i said, it doesn't have to if people put in as much effort going to the bar as they do with their car. everything will get back in order. it's just the time in peoples lives where they feel like they wanna have fun. myself included. you only live once. why not enjoy it. but nothing should ever take over your life, including the bar.
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Post by seevegaaarun on Aug 31, 2009 21:36:55 GMT -5
Honestly, this season was too much, which was why John and myself never came around. It seemed everytime we came around someone always had their hand out for money for something. Whether it be t shirts (that were never ordered) or wheel stops (that John has yet to use) I feel like it was just a waste. Nobody even texts us to let us know whats going on. Ringer is the ONLY ONE who ever sends us a text saying "hey come to rookies" or "QC at 8" other than that I dont hear from anyone anymore. Pregnancy is not a disease, I promise you guys will not catch it! lol other than Ellis, Ringer, and Marmo, everyone kinda just stopped talking to me, so forgive me if I'm a little pissed off. If you want people to be active in your club, you have to include them. I'm not going to chase everyone around like a lost puppy trying to keep up with you guys and see where you are, what youre doing, etc.
On another note, just because we didn't come to Carlisle didnt give anybody the right to sit there and talk about us. We had our own reason why we didnt come, and honestly, we dont have to justify ourselves to anyone. Guidi DID NOT get screwed over for the hotel room (that we were sharing with Brandon and Lauren anyway) and if he had he would have been compensated. That honestly pissed me off, but I'm glad I can get it off my chest now.
I'm just gonna dip out of Team 908 now, MANDATORY meetings are NOT my style, and we have bigger responsibilities coming up in the next few months.
Summer 2007 was the best. Everyone was on the same page without a select few bossing people around like the Gestapo.
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Post by hempele28 on Aug 31, 2009 23:05:27 GMT -5
i am going to chime right in here after corinne and agree. this season failed because we simply got away from everything that team 908 was originally. when i first became part of team 908 it was just a group of friends who loved their cars and enjoyed just cruising. honestly my best time with team 908 were cruises to the Pocono's and loitering at citgo for hours on week nights. that was what team 908 was built on and we completely got away from that this year. honestly i run a business every day for 11 hours and when i get out of work i don't want to deal with mandatory meetings and sarcastic text messages about not enough people showing up for an event. honestly I'm with ringer on the car show thing. i have never built my car for show and i enjoy racing. if team 908 turns back into what it was in the past and not what it was this year count me back in. honestly i have no desire for mandatory meetings, trying to sell team 908 t-shirts, or anything else that makes it feel like an obligation. if things like this continue next season will be just as bad as this one. myself and most of the members that stopped coming around simply did for the exact reason i stated above. guess what a week ago when i got a text from matt to go chill at dunkin donuts i was there. if someone called me right now at midnight and said lets loiter at qc or citgo and then go cruise i would be there in a second. as a matter of fact i am about to go out and take a cruise right now after a long day at work. thats what team 908 was built around. honestly all this political forced meeting mandatory stuff sucks. personally i just want to meet, loiter, cruise, and race with my friends like i used to in team 908. i have a passion to enjoy and drive my car and i prefer to do it with my friends. when team 908 is ready to get back to that count me in because thats what I'm about. if team 908 gets back to that i am sure you will see most of us who disappeared this year. i consider all of you my good friends and i hope you feel the same towards me. i would help anyone on this forum in a heart beat and we are always down to meet and hang out. i just honestly don't enjoy feeling like anything is mandatory and thats what takes the fun out of it.
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Post by marmalaidy00 on Aug 31, 2009 23:11:01 GMT -5
you said some things perfectly corrine. i do think it's a little overboard with meetings, for instance when i was down in north carolina visiting john, i left a day earlier than i wanted to for a mandatory meeting. but i do understand why people wanna have them. but maybe instead of calling them meetings...just have a night a week where we all get together and go to dinner or bowling or whatever. when i first came in to this group, we always did stuff together. whether it was bowling, waffle house, quick check, cruises...anything. so i think if we do stuff together once a week at least...people will come around a little more. but you have to remember, just sitting around doing nothing gets old. im always willing to have stuff at my house. you all know that. honestly, it shouldn't be this hard to get people to hang out. send out invites, include everyone, and if they don't come then they don't. if they do then they do. no reason to get angry at anyone.
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Post by dohcterek on Aug 31, 2009 23:32:34 GMT -5
organization comes at a huge price, trying to get people to commit to even a meet up at dunkin or citgo is way to difficult. I even took time and tons of paper and ink to print out calendars with things that might interest people to help with planning ahead which turned out to be a big waste. I am not calling anyone out on this Iam just saying it becomes a cluster fuck for myself atleast when I get a ton of messages back with things like who's going? or who's all there? it truly is a domino effect. bottom line, if you want to go to something simply say yes or no. Carlisle was a major headache for me with trying to book rooms for a large group of people and having people on the fence in the end it all worked out and it was fine thankfully. It does suck that mandated meetings need to be addressed but it seems to be the only way to weed out the people who arent into it anymore. It shouldnt be a burden for a meet up every other week or once a month to meet up and hangout for a couple of hours. there are plenty of other responsibilities in this world that go before team908 or cars in general and that is completely understandable. that being said if your free then come hangout on that one day every so often. as for a total track club, its tough to get a group that is set on just going to the track or just going to meets and shows. as prob everyone knows I myself enjoy going to shows and meets, others enjoy running at the track. for me going to a show and is a good excuse to give the old turd a good cleaning and having someone come up an complement my craftsmanship or say you should check out my setup i think you would like or benefit from it makes my day. I except that its not everyones cup of tea and i think it should be brought up at a meeting or something and a list should be made so we dont bother people with events they arent interested in or something along those lines. ringer made a good point he comes along to hangout. I recently read an article and one line i read caught my i and it goes for even a local car meet. it reads: "most are turned off by shows because of the stigma that surrounds show cars. whether people admit it or not,they want to show off their cars" on more note, the selling of tee shirts was an idea brought up to help raise money so fellow team members could attend an event let it be a track admission or show when funds are low.
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Post by ellisevo8 on Sept 1, 2009 6:12:56 GMT -5
lot of good reads on here so far. i don't understand why the term meeting is scaring everyone. in order for this to work and be organized we have to all meet up. the "meetings" that we have had in the past have went well. i totally agree w matt that it will act as a really good pruning process. get the "not so interested people out." I know from experience that it is next to impossible to get this group together at a given time to talk about things. And these mandatory meetings aren't gonna be like you miss 2 and you are done. The prior car club i was in had mandatory meets every 2 weeks. It got everyone together. It was mostly a pool party/drinking. For 5 mins when everyone was eating the "president" would talk about upcoming shows and get a head count and shit like that. This is a bit much for what we have going I agree, but their needs to be some sort of organization. Matt no offense buddy, but you are an organized freak. lol. Sometimes I wish that I had that problem though b/c I can't find my own hat when it's on my head sometimes. I think we can keep everyone happy by toning it down a bit as far as schedules and such. Like i've said 100 times. We are all grown ups. Matt if you can figure out how to post and event calendar on here that would be pretty cool. I'm sorry this all hit me when I was down at school, but i am supposed to miss home, and I really don't this time. I miss the way things used to be. We'll get it poppin' again don't you worry.
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Post by hempele28 on Sept 1, 2009 10:14:31 GMT -5
i think everyone is making some pretty good points on here. honestly i have no problems doing some car shows here and there. alot of times the cruise down is pretty fun and the show its self is not bad. i really think calling mandatory meetings ended up being a big turn off for alot of people. i agree with ash that sitting around does get old and i also agree with her opinion on people going to the bar. being i am the old man of the team i know what alot o the members who are new to 21 are going through. honestly after i turned 21 the bar scene was everything for the first few monthes. i would like to do more things with the group this year and attend some shows. i just dont want some of the sarcastic texts that i got like last season. getting text messages like "hey there is a show this sunday. maybe some people will actually show up for this one" just really made it not feel enjoyable. i honestly think we need to have some night in the next week or so where we all just get together and play pool or cruise. just plan something fun that we can all get together and relax. personally im dying for a cruise and i am going to island friday night if anyone else wants to meet and cruise down.
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Post by ellisevo8 on Sept 1, 2009 11:59:17 GMT -5
i wish i was in town man. i'm curious how other people feel. morea, jeremy, travis, erica, brad, dave, gabe, shoone, nick, brandon, .................... DON'T BE SHY GUYS. For the people that see these folks tell them to jump on here and throw up a quick post.
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